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	<title>Comments on: Demonic Coffee</title>
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	<description>Skeptical thinking from a young mind</description>
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		<title>By: skelliot</title>
		<link>http://skelliot.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/demonic-coffee/#comment-113</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 04:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, I&#039;m not really sure of your position from your comment, Writerdd. But the &quot;basic argument&quot; you have put forward is extremely flawed.

To begin with, it&#039;s an attack on physicians not medicine in general. But lets talk about medicine in general instead. To suggest that main stream medicine doesn&#039;t cure anything is fairly silly, but even if medicine didn&#039;t cure anyone it would still be a better option than &quot;alternative medicines&quot; because it is based on fact and actual research using the scientific method, which tests medicine to see if it yields results. The second glaringly obvious logic fallacy is a false premise. The quote states that it is our creator who provides us with &quot;divine healing&quot; and &quot;recuperative powers&quot;. 

What creator? I haven&#039;t seen one shred of evidence for a creator or &quot;divine healing&quot; what ever that may be. So if there is a creator then he is providing &quot;healers&quot; with a total amount of 0 divine healing power. The circular reasoning used towards the end of the argument is also obviously misleading. It relies on the false premise used in the beginning. 

Also I would like to ad that &quot;alternative medical treatments&quot; aren&#039;t medical treatments, they are just treatments (that don&#039;t work). If it was a real treatment that WORKED it would just be called Medicine.

I think it would be a good idea to form your opinions on main stream medicine out of church.

//edit, I have read some of your blog posts and I&#039;m pretty sure this isn&#039;t your position :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, I&#8217;m not really sure of your position from your comment, Writerdd. But the &#8220;basic argument&#8221; you have put forward is extremely flawed.</p>
<p>To begin with, it&#8217;s an attack on physicians not medicine in general. But lets talk about medicine in general instead. To suggest that main stream medicine doesn&#8217;t cure anything is fairly silly, but even if medicine didn&#8217;t cure anyone it would still be a better option than &#8220;alternative medicines&#8221; because it is based on fact and actual research using the scientific method, which tests medicine to see if it yields results. The second glaringly obvious logic fallacy is a false premise. The quote states that it is our creator who provides us with &#8220;divine healing&#8221; and &#8220;recuperative powers&#8221;. </p>
<p>What creator? I haven&#8217;t seen one shred of evidence for a creator or &#8220;divine healing&#8221; what ever that may be. So if there is a creator then he is providing &#8220;healers&#8221; with a total amount of 0 divine healing power. The circular reasoning used towards the end of the argument is also obviously misleading. It relies on the false premise used in the beginning. </p>
<p>Also I would like to ad that &#8220;alternative medical treatments&#8221; aren&#8217;t medical treatments, they are just treatments (that don&#8217;t work). If it was a real treatment that WORKED it would just be called Medicine.</p>
<p>I think it would be a good idea to form your opinions on main stream medicine out of church.</p>
<p>//edit, I have read some of your blog posts and I&#8217;m pretty sure this isn&#8217;t your position <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: writerdd</title>
		<link>http://skelliot.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/demonic-coffee/#comment-112</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the basic argument against medicine and for divine healing:

&quot;A case can be made that human physicians do not have the ability to cure any of us. Instead, physicians diagnose ailiments, cut (surgery), burn (radiation), recommend/prescribe/dispense drugs (including chemotherapies). At best, the drugs attack pathogens or stimulate our bodies&#039; own curative abilities. Physicians also offer advice, but none of what they do is inherently curative. Successful medical treatments, even via &quot;alternative&quot; medical approaches, rely on our bodies&#039; natural recuperative powers and/or on supernatural authority. The natural recuperative powers are provided by our Creator. The topic of the supernatural brings us back to our Creator, Who provides Divine healing.&quot;

From http://jesushealstoday.com/basics.html

This is more or less what I heard when I went to church, so I guess it&#039;s not an uncommon argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the basic argument against medicine and for divine healing:</p>
<p>&#8220;A case can be made that human physicians do not have the ability to cure any of us. Instead, physicians diagnose ailiments, cut (surgery), burn (radiation), recommend/prescribe/dispense drugs (including chemotherapies). At best, the drugs attack pathogens or stimulate our bodies&#8217; own curative abilities. Physicians also offer advice, but none of what they do is inherently curative. Successful medical treatments, even via &#8220;alternative&#8221; medical approaches, rely on our bodies&#8217; natural recuperative powers and/or on supernatural authority. The natural recuperative powers are provided by our Creator. The topic of the supernatural brings us back to our Creator, Who provides Divine healing.&#8221;</p>
<p>From <a href="http://jesushealstoday.com/basics.html" rel="nofollow">http://jesushealstoday.com/basics.html</a></p>
<p>This is more or less what I heard when I went to church, so I guess it&#8217;s not an uncommon argument.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://skelliot.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/demonic-coffee/#comment-102</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definately agree that medicine should be used not some religious-based healing. Medicine is used everyday and couldnt imagine living without it. We shouldnt take it for granted!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definately agree that medicine should be used not some religious-based healing. Medicine is used everyday and couldnt imagine living without it. We shouldnt take it for granted!</p>
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